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Post by marcb0t on May 24, 2014 15:28:46 GMT -8
Hi Leila,
This is the board where we can discuss and collaborate on the Lunar Light Zone tracks we've been working on.
This is my initial post, and I will have more to add here in a couple of days or so.
Feel free to post any thoughts, suggestions, or comments in the meantime.
There is an app for my phone where I can easily tap into this site and reply to posts and such.
See ya soon!
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Post by marcb0t on May 25, 2014 13:36:57 GMT -8
Alrighty, you are a member. Hooray!
Now, about the Present mix you have so far, I think overall, it sounds fantastic. There are only 3 things that I think need some work specifically:
1. Bassline - If we can find a smoother instrument with a little bouncy glide going on, this would help.
2. Volume Balance - Some sounds just need to have their volume softened a little bit so it balances better with the song... an easy fix!
3. Extend that puppy! - Song definitely needs to be longer and have more leads and progressions. Don't worry, I will help with that crazy melody at the beginning of my rendition, and will even try using Mixcraft myself. Maybe my production will benefit from that. It's good to try new things from time to time.
Overall, I really enjoyed the instruments for the leads, upgliding chords, and even the Lo-Fi sounding samples you have. It reminded me much of Stardust Speedway, and that is a good thing. Again, the bassline is really the only instrument that needs work in my opinion.
The second PSG sounding instrument for the lead you used was golden! Loved that sound. Lower the volume on it just a tad, and you're there!
Don't feel like you have to stick with Genesis DAC or instruments either. Present and Future arrangements are meant to be professional quality CD audio tracks. Of course you can certainly integrate Genesis sounds in it, though. As a matter of fact, I will try to see if I can make a good bassline sound using FM Drive, and post the preset here.
Last, your file arrived on my birthday, and was a very nice gift. Thank you. ;~;
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Post by marcb0t on May 25, 2014 15:53:43 GMT -8
Alright, I just created a bassline from FM Drive that might work better for your arrangement. I put the .fxp file for FM Drive presets into the marcb0tcollaboration folder, and even a recorded clip I made of it playing the first few seconds of your arrangement. (I used a simple 909 drumkit and tried to match the tempo you chose just to see it in action) You should just be able to load the .fxp file like you would with any VSTi plugin preset. It is specifically meant for FM Drive, though.
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Post by WoofLeila on May 26, 2014 9:05:52 GMT -8
Alrighty, you are a member. Hooray! Now, about the Present mix you have so far, I think overall, it sounds fantastic. There are only 3 things that I think need some work specifically: 1. Bassline - If we can find a smoother instrument with a little bouncy glide going on, this would help. 2. Volume Balance - Some sounds just need to have their volume softened a little bit so it balances better with the song... an easy fix! 3. Extend that puppy! - Song definitely needs to be longer and have more leads and progressions. Don't worry, I will help with that crazy melody at the beginning of my rendition, and will even try using Mixcraft myself. Maybe my production will benefit from that. It's good to try new things from time to time. Overall, I really enjoyed the instruments for the leads, upgliding chords, and even the Lo-Fi sounding samples you have. It reminded me much of Stardust Speedway, and that is a good thing. Again, the bassline is really the only instrument that needs work in my opinion. The second PSG sounding instrument for the lead you used was golden! Loved that sound. Lower the volume on it just a tad, and you're there! Don't feel like you have to stick with Genesis DAC or instruments either. Present and Future arrangements are meant to be professional quality CD audio tracks. Of course you can certainly integrate Genesis sounds in it, though. As a matter of fact, I will try to see if I can make a good bassline sound using FM Drive, and post the preset here. Last, your file arrived on my birthday, and was a very nice gift. Thank you. ;~; Happy birthday, first of all!!!! So I'm in Mixcraft now, poking around. Gonna see what I can do with that bassline first. There's two bassline tracks, the first of which is from Launch Base Zone, the second of which, I believe is from Toejam and Earl, but I think I actually loaded something else after fishing that preset out. xD Do you think they could both benefit from being bouncier? I have a couple of ideas! (My first impulse, of course was like, Mushroom Hill zone. What's bouncier than that?) Edit: I ended up using none of my own ideas and going insane. xD Also, if you want me to go full CD audio soundtrack levels, I can definitely do that. I'll make a seperate version of the project that's full CD quality, and let's see what we come out with!! And finished! I extended it with a new part. There's a couple parts I'm not 100% sure on, but I'm still learning to the Sonic CD style. I didn't know how to load the new file you sent (I am a MASSIVE noob) but I listened to the wav and tried to replicate it! I don't think I did a very good job recreating the bass sound though. I vastly preferred the bass sound you used! Ah, well, this is pretty close though. Let me know what you think of it! It's uploading!
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Post by marcb0t on May 26, 2014 15:57:17 GMT -8
Alrighty, you are a member. Hooray! So I'm in Mixcraft now, poking around. Gonna see what I can do with that bassline first. There's two bassline tracks, the first of which is from Launch Base Zone, the second of which, I believe is from Toejam and Earl, but I think I actually loaded something else after fishing that preset out. xD Do you think they could both benefit from being bouncier? I have a couple of ideas! (My first impulse, of course was like, Mushroom Hill zone. What's bouncier than that?) Edit: I ended up using none of my own ideas and going insane. xD Also, if you want me to go full CD audio soundtrack levels, I can definitely do that. I'll make a seperate version of the project that's full CD quality, and let's see what we come out with!! And finished! I extended it with a new part. There's a couple parts I'm not 100% sure on, but I'm still learning to the Sonic CD style. I didn't know how to load the new file you sent (I am a MASSIVE noob) but I listened to the wav and tried to replicate it! I don't think I did a very good job recreating the bass sound though. I vastly preferred the bass sound you used! Ah, well, this is pretty close though. Let me know what you think of it! It's uploading! WOW! I'm almost speechless! That latest beta is amazing. The part you added is kind of how I pictured the next progression in my "Past" rendition (saxophone and sparkly part you did). It is so much more developed, and sounds like a real Sonic CD track now... Oh yeah! The bassline is much better, even though you weren't able to open the preset I sent. It works, and I was jammin' out! There are only 2 things left that I think are needed, and I think it would be finished. 1. The PSG sounding lead is a little too low, now (d'oh!) . Just turn the volume up a tad on that one 2. I want to see if I can track the first part of the melody from my "Past" arrangement that was the crazy trumpet part. I envision it being in this Present arrangement you made. I started working on a Good Future Prototype, and should be in the folder now. Here's a link for quick reference: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgYV9yTUZsTl9pSm8/edit?usp=sharing Let me know what you think and what can be improved on. There are more things I'd like to add in it at some point. I had some free time today (Memorial Day), so I had the opportunity to flex my musical muscles. When I'm able to work out a computer situation, I can then get Mixcraft installed, and figure out how to load VSTi presets into it. I use Jeskola Buzzmachines, and it's a hybrid tracker and DAW. It's got the best of both worlds, I think. You can simply drag and drop a VSTi to the main screen and start playing with it right out of the box! I will put that program in the shared folder, and then you can tinker around with it whenever you like. Just unzip the "Buzz" folder to the desktop, open the folder, and double click on "buzz.exe". It should open right up, and you'll have all my VST's except for FM Drive and Super PSG (you can copy those to Buzz's VST directory, though). Then you'll be able to see everything and machine I used and tracked. It's really a breeze to use, and it's totally free. Oskari, the creator, I'm sure is always accepting donations. You can even record MIDI live play in addition to tracking. This is really fun!
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Post by WoofLeila on May 28, 2014 0:16:27 GMT -8
Sorry for the late reply! Things've been nutso around here. xD 1. I'm going to fix the volume on the PSG tonight (and tweak a couple other little things that were bugging me. I also really wanted to experiment with putting in some of the drum samples you used in the past rendition, to tie the songs together better.) 2. I actually want to remove the saxophone melody I put in, because I want your lead to be there instead! I can give you the beats per minute if you need! I can also upload a version without the sax lead, too! Let me know if that would help. Also, holy cow, that good future is rockin'! I loooove the robot voice! We should incorporate that into the bad future, too. I really love the glistening sounds so much. ;~; And that bass sample! It's godly! ! I'm digging the heck out of this. What are your plans with moving ahead with that one? We could collaborate, and I could build off of it, if you'd like, or something like that, or you could finish it up with the ideas you have! Either way, it sounds amazing! I look forward to seeing where it goes next. I'll work on getting the present version finalized and uploaded by the end'a the night. I'll take a looksee at that program you sent, too. I'm really -REALLY- bad with anything that requires any amount of technical skill (I'm lucky to get my computer turned on/off, honestly. XD) It's awesome I can record live, though! That's always the clencher for me, 'cause I like to play everything live when I record, so maybe I'll be able to make some sense of it. Edit: File's uploaded! I took out my sax lead (so yours can go in its place,) fixed the PSG lead volume, and added in more samples from your past version. Oh! On the good future version, were you thinkin' about incorporating the third section (1:20) from the present into it? That chord progression could mesh really well with what you have started! same with the progression from your crazy trumpet part!
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Post by marcb0t on May 28, 2014 10:43:13 GMT -8
Sorry for the late reply! Things've been nutso around here. xD 1. I'm going to fix the volume on the PSG tonight (and tweak a couple other little things that were bugging me. I also really wanted to experiment with putting in some of the drum samples you used in the past rendition, to tie the songs together better.) 2. I actually want to remove the saxophone melody I put in, because I want your lead to be there instead! I can give you the beats per minute if you need! I can also upload a version without the sax lead, too! Let me know if that would help. Also, holy cow, that good future is rockin'! I loooove the robot voice! We should incorporate that into the bad future, too. I really love the glistening sounds so much. ;~; And that bass sample! It's godly! ! I'm digging the heck out of this. What are your plans with moving ahead with that one? We could collaborate, and I could build off of it, if you'd like, or something like that, or you could finish it up with the ideas you have! Either way, it sounds amazing! I look forward to seeing where it goes next. I'll work on getting the present version finalized and uploaded by the end'a the night. I'll take a looksee at that program you sent, too. I'm really -REALLY- bad with anything that requires any amount of technical skill (I'm lucky to get my computer turned on/off, honestly. XD) It's awesome I can record live, though! That's always the clencher for me, 'cause I like to play everything live when I record, so maybe I'll be able to make some sense of it. Edit: File's uploaded! I took out my sax lead (so yours can go in its place,) fixed the PSG lead volume, and added in more samples from your past version. Oh! On the good future version, were you thinkin' about incorporating the third section (1:20) from the present into it? That chord progression could mesh really well with what you have started! same with the progression from your crazy trumpet part! Sounding really good now. I heard the double oscillated and octaved bassline, and I think it works well. The PSG lead is perfect now. Now about the sax part, I really liked yours. It was really hip and showy. However, when I have time, I well see what I can do with it... maybe we can get both your cool sax lead, and my crazy trumpet part in there. Also,I actually was planning on adding the section from 1:20 to the Good Future mix along with your sax lead... although slightly altered with a different instrument. Piano stuff odds also planned, and maybe a little arpeggiating PSG action sprinkled in. I've got to go now, but I'll have more to say later. Sent from my Prism II using Tapatalk
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Post by marcb0t on May 28, 2014 13:56:56 GMT -8
Oh, right, could you tell me the BPM for your present mix? I will give that improv a try when I get time. Memorial Day is over do time is scarce once more.
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Post by WoofLeila on May 28, 2014 15:04:30 GMT -8
Oh yeah! I can drop the sax back in, then, and then we can have it either go into your trumpet part, or have the trumpet part go first, and then the sax! I'll let you dictate which goes where, though, for maximum awesome! The BPM for the project is 114.0, by the way! Hope that helps! Really excited about good future, too!
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Post by marcb0t on May 28, 2014 20:25:12 GMT -8
Oh yeah! I can drop the sax back in, then, and then we can have it either go into your trumpet part, or have the trumpet part go first, and then the sax! I'll let you dictate which goes where, though, for maximum awesome! The BPM for the project is 114.0, by the way! Hope that helps! Really excited about good future, too! Cool! That helps. It sounded slower than 120, nice and chilled. B-) It may be a couple of weeks while I finish up another personal project and forsake my personal life for my 2 jobs. Just had a 12 hour day at my warehouse, and I'm wiped out. In between, I find information on how to make authentic Sega CD PCM music, what was used for Sonic CD past music. When we're done, we should have authentic sounding past music playing 8 bit samples right off of real hardware. You use a tracker called Open MPT, and then a conversion tool so you can play it on a Sega CD PCM Chip. The chip is made by Ricoh, and maximum quality is 8 bit at 32KHz. As a matter of fact, the cartoon animations on Sonic CD played the music through the Ricoh chip. It was not stereo either. I have ripped some of the past music samples already. I love playing with that Quartz Quadrant Bass, that will be some real fun to use in future productions. I want to eventually use Palm tree Panic past instruments to make a past rendition of Ocean Melody, and would love your help making a Good Future version of that at some point. Forgive me if some of my words are incoherent. Pretty tired. In the meantime why don't you see if you can get a bad future started? I have some ideas but am interested in your take. You are also welcome to add anything to the Good Future. I can also get you the BPM when I get access to my computer off you want. Take care. Sent from my Prism II using Tapatalk
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Post by WoofLeila on May 28, 2014 20:57:08 GMT -8
Y'know, when you mentioned making a past version of Ocean Melody, that got me thinking... We could to a whole mock Sonic-CD sequel. XD I attempted that a long time ago, but only ever finished one level (two, counting Disco Palace Zone, but Disco Palace Zone does not count.) Ultimately what I ended up making became part of my personal project thingy, buuuut maybe the songs'll make your ears happy! They're hardly authentic, but they were very fun. www.weasyl.com/submission/83661/r2b <- Past www.weasyl.com/submission/84340/r2a <- Present www.weasyl.com/submission/84352/r2d <- Bad Future www.weasyl.com/submission/84353/r2c <- Good Future ANYWAY, tangent aside (I just wanted to share those with you, really!) it could be fun to take a crack at doing a couple zones, if not an entire mock-game, eh? Just picking and creating interesting level ideas n' such! The idea of super authentic past music really really excites me! Also, I'm curious, why is it that those songs are handled that way, and not the rest? I always assumed it was because they were made last, (maybe even later than the US tracks...) but I may be completely wrong. Anyway, maybe we can crash our ideas together for bad future, eh? The more they don't -quite- match up, the better, in the case of a bad future, I'd imagine, eh? And yes, please! I'd like the BPM for good future! That way, I can try to add some stuff to it, if you'd like! If it doesn't work out, I can at least say I tried!
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Post by marcb0t on May 29, 2014 19:56:54 GMT -8
Y'know, when you mentioned making a past version of Ocean Melody, that got me thinking... We could to a whole mock Sonic-CD sequel. XD I attempted that a long time ago, but only ever finished one level (two, counting Disco Palace Zone, but Disco Palace Zone does not count.) Ultimately what I ended up making became part of my personal project thingy, buuuut maybe the songs'll make your ears happy! They're hardly authentic, but they were very fun. www.weasyl.com/submission/83661/r2b <- Past www.weasyl.com/submission/84340/r2a <- Present www.weasyl.com/submission/84352/r2d <- Bad Future www.weasyl.com/submission/84353/r2c <- Good Future ANYWAY, tangent aside (I just wanted to share those with you, really!) it could be fun to take a crack at doing a couple zones, if not an entire mock-game, eh? Just picking and creating interesting level ideas n' such! The idea of super authentic past music really really excites me! Also, I'm curious, why is it that those songs are handled that way, and not the rest? I always assumed it was because they were made last, (maybe even later than the US tracks...) but I may be completely wrong. Anyway, maybe we can crash our ideas together for bad future, eh? The more they don't -quite- match up, the better, in the case of a bad future, I'd imagine, eh? And yes, please! I'd like the BPM for good future! That way, I can try to add some stuff to it, if you'd like! If it doesn't work out, I can at least say I tried! Hi Woofleila! Oh yeah, I heard those tracks before a little bit on your weasyl page, but gave them a complete listen this morning. I think it was really creative, and I enjoyed the not so authentic Past music. All the tracks are cohesive, and definitely have that disco funk through and through. The chords definitely have that "past" sound that was prevelant in the Past arrangements. The Good future was another favorite of mine, and yes it very much sounded like a collision of Quartz Quadrant and Stardust Speedway Good Futures. I found out through an old e-mail posted online, that there were different departments for each of the rounds. So essentially, the boss of the departments said that the person working on Round 2 for Sonic CD didn't do a very good job, so they axed it. I wonder if there is any bit of it saved somewhere. The desert zone interpretation was reimagined in a fan game called "Sonic: Before the Sequel". Look it up online. Very fun game, and some really cool music. You asked why the Past music is handled differently. Well, there were so many CD audio tracks for all the zones and time arrangements, that the data went almost to the edge of the disc. Not enough room to make 8 more professional audio tracks. Chip tracking with PCM takes just a small fraction of data as compared to a full on audio recording. Plus I think it just adds this old skool analog warmth and distortion to the music which makes you think (Past)... for me at least. My theory is that they produced the Past music first as the foundational tracks and that the other musicians based their tracks off those. Even with Spencer Nilson's tracks (Wacky Work Bench, and Quartz Quadrant) have a reminiscent sound of their past tracks if you listen closely... in terms of certain melodic and rythmic movements. Spencer Nilson deviated a little too far from the Past arrangements, in my opinion, but that's OK. I like some of his tracks, especially Stardust Speedway Bad Future. The present mix he did for Stardust was pretty cool, as well. Doing a whole soundtrack for a fictional Sonic CD 2? Very cool idea. We'll see what life brings, but it would be a fun undertaking... or more realistically an ongoing project that we do at our own leisure. Oh, right, the BPM for the Good Future mix I did is 124. Hope that helps. Take care, marcb0t
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Post by WoofLeila on May 31, 2014 5:37:31 GMT -8
Yeah, back when I made those, I didn't even know how the past songs were done. xD So, I like, went for the parts I could pick out by ear. XD Mostly that was really off-the-wall chords, lots of mallet instruments, and layers upon layers of funk! I had a lot of fun with the good future, too, 'cause I did that thing they did in both the songs you mentioned, and laid the whole song over one part of the chord progression (QQZ did this, too, as I recall.) I can safely say that I have seen what little remains of R2. It's not very much, but the big 'mouth in the ground' enemy from the closing animation was indeed from that level. I think there were a couple other enemies and setpieces, but I haven't seen the stuff for a while. It was going to be a ruins-themed level though, rather than a desert, which is perhaps unsurprising, considering how close the levels (mostly) were to Sonic 1's! Also, I LOVE that game! That one, and After the Sequel are sooo amazing, and the music!! It's incredible! Yeah, I agree on that old-school sound for the past songs. xD I attempted that once, even! Buuut my method was sort of weird, and it sounded kind of dumb >~>; But like! Yeah. Rambling. Point being, I now see why they moved to PCM tracking. Part of me wishes they whole soundtrack had been done that way, but the difference in quality for the past songs really 'makes' it for me. It just seems 'right'. Yeah, I agree on what you said about Nilsen deviating too far in many case, but I, too, really like a lot of his tracks. I really really liked Metallic Madness by him, for instance, even though it had pretty much nothing to do with the past arrangement. He did some great work! On my little R2 song, I tried to incorporate some of his ideas into the present, but I'm not too good at his style. xD Yeah, I think it's something we could do over an amount of time. No deadlines, no release date, just a lot of fun when we can approach and attack it! Plus, making up levels is cool! 124! Got it!! Do you have the drum samples, and TFIs of some of the instruments you used? That way I can make sure it all fits together and isn't crazyweird! XD
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Post by marcb0t on May 31, 2014 18:35:31 GMT -8
Yeah, back when I made those, I didn't even know how the past songs were done. xD So, I like, went for the parts I could pick out by ear. XD Mostly that was really off-the-wall chords, lots of mallet instruments, and layers upon layers of funk! I had a lot of fun with the good future, too, 'cause I did that thing they did in both the songs you mentioned, and laid the whole song over one part of the chord progression (QQZ did this, too, as I recall.) I can safely say that I have seen what little remains of R2. It's not very much, but the big 'mouth in the ground' enemy from the closing animation was indeed from that level. I think there were a couple other enemies and setpieces, but I haven't seen the stuff for a while. It was going to be a ruins-themed level though, rather than a desert, which is perhaps unsurprising, considering how close the levels (mostly) were to Sonic 1's! Also, I LOVE that game! That one, and After the Sequel are sooo amazing, and the music!! It's incredible! Yeah, I agree on that old-school sound for the past songs. xD I attempted that once, even! Buuut my method was sort of weird, and it sounded kind of dumb >~>; But like! Yeah. Rambling. Point being, I now see why they moved to PCM tracking. Part of me wishes they whole soundtrack had been done that way, but the difference in quality for the past songs really 'makes' it for me. It just seems 'right'. Yeah, I agree on what you said about Nilsen deviating too far in many case, but I, too, really like a lot of his tracks. I really really liked Metallic Madness by him, for instance, even though it had pretty much nothing to do with the past arrangement. He did some great work! On my little R2 song, I tried to incorporate some of his ideas into the present, but I'm not too good at his style. xD Yeah, I think it's something we could do over an amount of time. No deadlines, no release date, just a lot of fun when we can approach and attack it! Plus, making up levels is cool! 124! Got it!! Do you have the drum samples, and TFIs of some of the instruments you used? That way I can make sure it all fits together and isn't crazyweird! XD OK! I've got some treats for you. I ripped the PAST samples from the Palmtree Panic game data. I did as fine of job as I could. I then used OpenMPT to compose Ocean Melody with the Palmtree Panic Past style. I want to send it to Raphael Goulart so he can tweak and fine tune it. He may want to add a little more to it as well. I consider it an unfinished beta of "Seaside Serenity Zone" Past arrangement. This is another fake Sonic CD zone that I have an idea for. The present can be a finetuned version of Ocean Melody, and I have an idea for a really bright, dancy, chipper Good Future version. Here is the song: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgQzFkTEVOWmEtclU/edit?usp=sharingHere are the Palmtree Panic Past PCM samples: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgMm40ZExMMW1PWXM/edit?usp=sharingYou can make your own authentic sounding Palmtree Panic Past song now! They are also in the Collab Folder if you ever need to recover them. For the Good Future of Lunar Light Zone, Here is the Bassline TFI: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgVFQ1aG9NY1JWazQ/edit?usp=sharingHere are the Drums VSTi: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgOFVoVExtRldhZGs/edit?usp=sharingThe drum sounds were all from that one VSTi called DSK MiniDrumZ. Install it to your Mixcraft and get some instant old skool drum machine goodness. I used 909 for the basic dance drums, and Roland TR727 for the bongos. They are two instances of the VSTi, and fed through a delay filter. Compare my past song to the real Palmtree Panic Past, and see what you think. It sounds pretty authentic to me with that thick grainy 8-bit, 16KHz sound. No special effects are used in the tracker. Plain jane just like the Ricoh PCM chip. I'll have more for ya later!
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Post by marcb0t on Jun 1, 2014 14:37:33 GMT -8
OK, so last night before I went to bed, I tried playing with making the saxophone solo with my crazy melody for your Present Arrangement. It's not finished, and needs some tweaking, but take a listen: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgWDQ0S2Myb056bnc/edit?usp=sharingThis is in the collaboration folder as well. I have not archived it to the "Present" folder yet. I know the timing is a little off in one segment, but I'll tweak it later on. Just thought you'd want to hear the "Proof of Concept" that we can make a cool song using 2 separate pieces of software. I have a really good wave mixer called Reaper which allows me to easily layer sounds and equalize the output. The sax solo was made in Buzzmachines. I actually tracked it. It is not live play. I just can't do live play very well, especially with such a complex melody. I'm a tracker head primarily. I was surprised how well it turned out. Whoever made the Sax VSTi, did a fantastic job. Sounds almost real! Later, I'll retrack a few of the notes to better match the timing. At least I have it stay within the 4 measures. Also, Tails said he improved my "Past" arrangement for Ocean Melody. I'll post it here when I receive that. OpenMPT is like his natural habitat, so he's really quick. His melodies would be perfect for future Past ideas, and he has already given permission to use one of his tunes as a Past arrangement. It's already in a MOD tracker format, so I would just need to replace the instruments with Sega CD Lo Fi samples. Not only that, my brain is also swelling from ideas, I can't even see straight!
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Post by WoofLeila on Jun 1, 2014 18:28:35 GMT -8
OK! I've got some treats for you. I ripped the PAST samples from the Palmtree Panic game data. I did as fine of job as I could. I then used OpenMPT to compose Ocean Melody with the Palmtree Panic Past style. I want to send it to Raphael Goulart so he can tweak and fine tune it. He may want to add a little more to it as well. I consider it an unfinished beta of "Seaside Serenity Zone" Past arrangement. This is another fake Sonic CD zone that I have an idea for. The present can be a finetuned version of Ocean Melody, and I have an idea for a really bright, dancy, chipper Good Future version. Here is the song: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgQzFkTEVOWmEtclU/edit?usp=sharingHere are the Palmtree Panic Past PCM samples: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgMm40ZExMMW1PWXM/edit?usp=sharingYou can make your own authentic sounding Palmtree Panic Past song now! They are also in the Collab Folder if you ever need to recover them. For the Good Future of Lunar Light Zone, Here is the Bassline TFI: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgVFQ1aG9NY1JWazQ/edit?usp=sharingHere are the Drums VSTi: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgOFVoVExtRldhZGs/edit?usp=sharingThe drum sounds were all from that one VSTi called DSK MiniDrumZ. Install it to your Mixcraft and get some instant old skool drum machine goodness. I used 909 for the basic dance drums, and Roland TR727 for the bongos. They are two instances of the VSTi, and fed through a delay filter. Compare my past song to the real Palmtree Panic Past, and see what you think. It sounds pretty authentic to me with that thick grainy 8-bit, 16KHz sound. No special effects are used in the tracker. Plain jane just like the Ricoh PCM chip. I'll have more for ya later! Oh gosh, this is wonderful!! I keep listening to it! I love these samples, and what you've done with them, especially!! So Ocean Melody is looking like its level Seaside Serenity is the first stage, perhaps, eh? We could make a seperate thread for it, maybe, so each level has its own thread -- I also bring that up because I had an idea for another level song last night, after being inspired by images of one of my favorite places (The song's actually done, I just didn't know if you wanted yet another song thrown into this, so I didn't upload it anywhere xD. If you want, I can upload it to the collaboration folder, too, along with a description, or that can go in its thread if we decide to go the separate thread route.) That way, each level can have its discussion all filed away for us to bring up any time we want. Oh gosh, I can't stop listening to this. xD You did amazingly on it. ; I actually like it better than Palmtree Panic Past. The chords are more interesting in your tune, and it does more. Seriously awesome work on this! Also, thank you for that TFI! Tonight, I will try to see what I can do about extending good future a little bit! I'm kind of excited! We get to work together on one! I'm grabbing the DSK MiniDrumZ too!
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Post by marcb0t on Jun 1, 2014 19:59:39 GMT -8
Oh gosh, this is wonderful!! I keep listening to it! I love these samples, and what you've done with them, especially!! So Ocean Melody is looking like its level Seaside Serenity is the first stage, perhaps, eh? We could make a seperate thread for it, maybe, so each level has its own thread -- I also bring that up because I had an idea for another level song last night, after being inspired by images of one of my favorite places (The song's actually done, I just didn't know if you wanted yet another song thrown into this, so I didn't upload it anywhere xD. If you want, I can upload it to the collaboration folder, too, along with a description, or that can go in its thread if we decide to go the separate thread route.) That way, each level can have its discussion all filed away for us to bring up any time we want. Oh gosh, I can't stop listening to this. xD You did amazingly on it. ; I actually like it better than Palmtree Panic Past. The chords are more interesting in your tune, and it does more. Seriously awesome work on this! Also, thank you for that TFI! Tonight, I will try to see what I can do about extending good future a little bit! I'm kind of excited! We get to work together on one! I'm grabbing the DSK MiniDrumZ too! Yes, certainly feel free to start an individual thread for your idea. I would love to hear it. We can add to each new idea as we have time, and again, no rush. Start a new folder in the collab folder too, if you like. You have full editing rights to that folder. Here is Raphael Goularts cleaned up version: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgUk5INF80M245clE/edit?usp=sharingI gotta go soon, but just wanted to share that with ya. More later, as always!
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Post by WoofLeila on Jun 1, 2014 20:35:57 GMT -8
OK, so last night before I went to bed, I tried playing with making the saxophone solo with my crazy melody for your Present Arrangement. It's not finished, and needs some tweaking, but take a listen: drive.google.com/file/d/0B2C16041iMhgWDQ0S2Myb056bnc/edit?usp=sharingThis is in the collaboration folder as well. I have not archived it to the "Present" folder yet. I know the timing is a little off in one segment, but I'll tweak it later on. Just thought you'd want to hear the "Proof of Concept" that we can make a cool song using 2 separate pieces of software. I have a really good wave mixer called Reaper which allows me to easily layer sounds and equalize the output. The sax solo was made in Buzzmachines. I actually tracked it. It is not live play. I just can't do live play very well, especially with such a complex melody. I'm a tracker head primarily. I was surprised how well it turned out. Whoever made the Sax VSTi, did a fantastic job. Sounds almost real! Later, I'll retrack a few of the notes to better match the timing. At least I have it stay within the 4 measures. Also, Tails said he improved my "Past" arrangement for Ocean Melody. I'll post it here when I receive that. OpenMPT is like his natural habitat, so he's really quick. His melodies would be perfect for future Past ideas, and he has already given permission to use one of his tunes as a Past arrangement. It's already in a MOD tracker format, so I would just need to replace the instruments with Sega CD Lo Fi samples. Not only that, my brain is also swelling from ideas, I can't even see straight! Awww yeaaaaaaaah sax!!! Wow, that sounds freaking amazing. o.o; It sounds like a real saxaphone player dropped into your work area and played that!! Yowza. Also, it didn't really sound too off-sync to me, but my sense of rhythm ain't the greatest. xD Gosh, this sounds awesome. I also really think it's cool that you track, rather than live recording, 'cause it's like, we're combining all our different skillsets/software/stuff, to make something awesome together, which is the coolest part of the whole thing. Also, yay! TRI-COLLABORATION because Tails. That's going to be super super fun! Everything is!
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Post by WoofLeila on Jun 1, 2014 22:08:49 GMT -8
My attempt at adding to the good version of the song is uploaded, as well! I dunno if it's too incongruous when it comes to the rest of the song though. @~@ I think it'd be better if you laid some instruments overtop of it, or if I changed the beat to match yours exactly, perhaps. It's a -very- early beta in that it doesn't match up at -all- at the moment (I need to fix the volumes, for one, and better match it up to where yours leaves off. It's sort of a basic idea at the moment, than anything else, and by no means final!)
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Post by marcb0t on Jun 2, 2014 4:38:02 GMT -8
My attempt at adding to the good version of the song is uploaded, as well! I dunno if it's too incongruous when it comes to the rest of the song though. @~@ I think it'd be better if you laid some instruments overtop of it, or if I changed the beat to match yours exactly, perhaps. It's a -very- early beta in that it doesn't match up at -all- at the moment (I need to fix the volumes, for one, and better match it up to where yours leaves off. It's sort of a basic idea at the moment, than anything else, and by no means final!) I'll give it listen this morning. If nothing else, I can just extend my tracked tune integrating your ideas with my software. I'm starting to get faster at it. If you have any ideas for past arrangements you can make a melody on your software and I can translate that to Ricoh style PCM samples, and Tails can smooth out the rough edges. Did you hear his cleaned up version of my past tune yet? It sounds smoother on some parts, and he fixed this one incoherent improv I had towards the end of the loop. I'm still an amateur at that kind of jazzy craziness. B-) Sent from my Prism II using Tapatalk
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Post by marcb0t on Jun 2, 2014 5:52:39 GMT -8
Alrighty, I heard it. It's sounds wonderful, but I would need either you to bring down the BPM to 124 or I can bring it up to what you have it at cause what you have sounds a bit faster. Now when I have time, I will add what I had in mind for the next progression and try to integrate what you have. I think it could be done, and it'll be longer than traditional Good Future tracks...which I like, because I wish the original tracks were longer or had extended mixes. Sounds great, but just that tweak in tempo should help. Make a recording with and without the drum tracks, and that would be helpful. Thanks again!
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Post by WoofLeila on Jun 2, 2014 21:49:24 GMT -8
I'll give it listen this morning. If nothing else, I can just extend my tracked tune integrating your ideas with my software. I'm starting to get faster at it. If you have any ideas for past arrangements you can make a melody on your software and I can translate that to Ricoh style PCM samples, and Tails can smooth out the rough edges. Did you hear his cleaned up version of my past tune yet? It sounds smoother on some parts, and he fixed this one incoherent improv I had towards the end of the loop. I'm still an amateur at that kind of jazzy craziness. B-) Oh, yeah, that'd be perfect! I could like, send any past-stuff I do to you in .MID format, if that'd help, so that you can properly past-ize it on your equipment! This is like, the coolest way to collab ever. Cross-software, cross-hardware, cross-everything. I'm really getting a kick out of this! And oh god, yes, I heard it! It sounds super super professional now, like... it should actually be in a game. XD You two did amazingly!! That version is now on loop. I like it even more now, and I already liked it more than Palmtree Panic Past. Really awesome job by you both.
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Post by marcb0t on Jun 2, 2014 22:00:07 GMT -8
On closer inspection, it sounds like the tempo is right. The fade out and the volume differences threw me off so really on the morning. Here's an idea... would you be able to send me separate recordings of each layer you made. They should all be played from start to finish of your addition, silences and everything. Then I can balance everything out and smoothly integrate it on to what I have. If it's too much, then maybe just a separate recording off the drums, bassline, and remaining elements.
Also, check the collab folder, I stuck a Bad Future concept inside it's own folder. I basically am gene splicing Metallic Madness and Stardust Speedway. But I want to find recordings of Eggman's laughter, and also have planned the robot voice to do some rap along with the rhythm. Do you think this is a good direction for the "D mix"?
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Post by marcb0t on Jun 2, 2014 22:08:26 GMT -8
Whoa, we just replied at the same time, but yeah, the .mid thing is a great idea. Yes that would work..., but just for the past arrangements. Present and future arrangements I need WAV recordings, because I don't have all the same instruments as you, and it would make things faster for production on my end. Yes this cross software thing is more fun than I thought it would. It works pretty well! And it's great experience for the future.
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Post by WoofLeila on Jun 2, 2014 22:22:20 GMT -8
Alrighty, I heard it. It's sounds wonderful, but I would need either you to bring down the BPM to 124 or I can bring it up to what you have it at cause what you have sounds a bit faster. Now when I have time, I will add what I had in mind for the next progression and try to integrate what you have. I think it could be done, and it'll be longer than traditional Good Future tracks...which I like, because I wish the original tracks were longer or had extended mixes. Sounds great, but just that tweak in tempo should help. Make a recording with and without the drum tracks, and that would be helpful. Thanks again! Sent from my Prism II using Tapatalk Yeah, I think I messed something up. A lot of somethings. >~>; One idea I have is that I can actually let you retrack what I did on your equipment so that everything matches up, and you can use this as a sort of 'template' for my ideas, and add/change whatever you want. I think that would work the best, 'cause then it's all being rendered by the same software at the same time, instead of us mooshing together the two files like that. XD Then, you can add your parts, as well as integrating mine, and it'll all flow across perfectly, like you said! I agree that the fact that it's longer than normal tracks could be a boon! It'd be incentive to get the good future in our fictional Sonic game, anyway! Um... oh! Let me hop on those recordings, too! Just a sec... Of note, my DAW says I'm at 124.0 on the tempo, but I'm really not sure if that's proper. I sync'd the recording up at that speed, but I'm thinking my DAW calculated it wrong, and that's part of the reason I was thinking it'd be better if you retracked my parts, perhaps... I'm rendering these recordings at what it -says- is 124, and if that comes out too fast still (which I guarantee that it will, since it was before) I'll try slowing it down and such, until we find the right number, if you'd like to stick with this method. (I'm guessing I need to be at a decimal of 123, perhaps, or maybe even lower, since my DAW is being strange about this.) There we go! Both recorded! Silly rambling on my part aside (I get really excited! XD) they're there for you to use! Both are in .wav format. Let me know what else you need, and I'll do it!
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Post by WoofLeila on Jun 2, 2014 22:27:51 GMT -8
On closer inspection, it sounds like the tempo is right. The fade out and the volume differences threw me off so really on the morning. Here's an idea... would you be able to send me separate recordings of each layer you made. They should all be played from start to finish of your addition, silences and everything. Then I can balance everything out and smoothly integrate it on to what I have. If it's too much, then maybe just a separate recording off the drums, bassline, and remaining elements. Also, check the collab folder, I stuck a Bad Future concept inside it's own folder. I basically am gene splicing Metallic Madness and Stardust Speedway. But I want to find recordings of Eggman's laughter, and also have planned the robot voice to do some rap along with the rhythm. Do you think this is a good direction for the "D mix"? Sent from my Prism II using Tapatalk OH!!! That's what it was! That's actually my fault. xD I fixed that by putting my recordings -right- at the start of the song here, though, so you should be able to really easily use them now, which is a huge plus. I can also render each of those tracks separately for you, sure! As soon as I get home, I'll do that, and that way, you can have a much easier time of it! OH GOD YES. Bad future!? I cannot wait. As soon as I get home, that is getting downloaded, too! I am very excited because of Robot Rap, also. That plus Eggman laughter is very yes. xD I'll try and hurry home!!!
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Post by WoofLeila on Jun 2, 2014 22:32:38 GMT -8
Whoa, we just replied at the same time, but yeah, the .mid thing is a great idea. Yes that would work..., but just for the past arrangements. Present and future arrangements I need WAV recordings, because I don't have all the same instruments as you, and it would make things faster for production on my end. Yes this cross software thing is more fun than I thought it would. It works pretty well! And it's great experience for the future. Sent from my Prism II using Tapatalk Perfect!! Okay, I'll save those for past arrangements, then.
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Post by WoofLeila on Jun 3, 2014 0:09:21 GMT -8
Oh man, I am dancing so hard to this Bad Future beta. I think you're onto something here, most definitely! Distorted versions of our leads could also really add to it, too! The more discordant, the better, eh? I love this bassline ;~;
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Post by WoofLeila on Jun 3, 2014 2:55:59 GMT -8
All the tracks have been wav-ized individually for my section of the good future song, and uploaded to the good future folder!
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Post by marcb0t on Jun 3, 2014 4:55:57 GMT -8
Oh man, I am dancing so hard to this Bad Future beta. I think you're onto something here, most definitely! Distorted versions of our leads could also really add to it, too! The more discordant, the better, eh? I love this bassline ;~; Coolness! I want there to still be this jazzy Stardust Speedway piano thing going on with my crazy lead, but yes distorted leads and creepy chord progressions are also planned. That bassline is FM Drive in action. Genesis had a 4 OP synthesizer which has the best sounds for basslines in my opinion. It's really sooo dynamic! Gives out this old skool action game sound. I plan on adding more to that a bit, with some cool pitch bending stuff if all goes well. Sent from my Prism II using Tapatalk
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